强烈建议看谷爱凌的最新播客，学会真的强者思维

作者：米奇

来源：财经会议圈（ID：fci0630）

2026年8月31日，谷爱凌坐进了Jay Shetty的播客《On Purpose》，聊了整整一个小时。

先说这张沙发的分量。《On Purpose》是全球下载量最高的访谈播客之一，主持人Jay Shetty是畅销书《Think Like a Monk》的作者，以对谈深度著称，奥巴马、奥普拉、科比生前都曾是他的座上宾。能在这里聊满一小时的嘉宾，从来不是被当作流量，而是被当作一个“心智样本”来拆解的人。

谷爱凌够这个分量。

北京冬奥会两金一银，今年2月米兰冬奥会再添一金两银，两届六枚奖牌，奥运史上荣誉最多的自由式滑雪运动员。

6月，她刚刚从斯坦福大学毕业。但这场对话真正值得听的，不是冠军故事，而是另一件事：一个22岁的年轻人，如何像工程师拆解机器一样，把自己的大脑拆成零件，看清每一颗螺丝，再一件件装回去。

这期节目传到中文互联网的时候，关于“内卷”和“努力贬值”的争论正热。

AI正在抹平勤奋的溢价，所有人都在问同一个问题：

当努力不再稀缺，什么才稀缺？

谷爱凌在这一小时里给出的，恰好是一条完整的逻辑链。

第一层，方向比努力重要，动能不来自蛮力，而来自方向，方向错了，砸墙砸得再狠也到不了墙的另一边。

第二层，证据比口号重要，空洞的自我鼓励在高压下必然崩塌，真正的自信来自上百次训练记录堆出来的数据。

第三层，也是整套体系的基石：你不是你的技艺。

一次失误只代表那个动作错了，不代表你这个人不行；一次完美落地也只代表那一次成功，不代表你是完美的人。表现只提供反馈，不定义价值。这三层拼起来，不是鸡汤，是一套经过奥运级别压力测试的操作系统。

几处最值得划重点的章句

一，95%与5%的双模式。训练时她极度挑剔，只盯着误差：上身偏2度、起跳早0.1秒、重心偏移，假设自己从未拿过冠军。站上赛场那一刻立刻切换：“此刻我就是最强的，其他人争夺第二名。”95%的时间自省，5%的时间自信。一直狂妄会停滞，比赛时还在自我批判则必然失常。

二，努力被歌颂，方向被低估。所有人都在砸同一堵墙，比谁砸得更狠。但真正的目标是抵达墙的另一边，找对路绕过去，远比蛮力高效。年轻阶段最重要的事，不是死磕，而是花时间找到方向。

三，证据优于自我肯定。“我自信，是因为同样的动作我已经完成过几十次、上百次，有大量数据支撑。不是凭空告诉自己我可以，而是过往的记录证明我可以。情绪只是信号，不是事实。”

四，领奖台上的裂缝。很少有人知道，米兰夺金的那一个小时里，她同时承受着一场巨大的个人失去。“站在领奖台上，脚下的地面仿佛在裂开。”巨大喜悦和巨大悲伤可以共存，谁也不抵消谁。这是整场访谈最动人的一分钟。

五，最差建议奖。她颁给了“凌晨四点起床，你就能更高效”：不是所有人都适合同一套作息，不要照搬别人的模板。在这个人人兜售成功学的时代，这句话本身就是一种解毒剂。

全英Talk _谷爱凌做客Jay Shetty Podcast___刚刚新鲜出，来源：小红书作者：ivy的英语笔记

EILEEN GU:“The Ground Was Cracking Beneath Me.”On Purpose with Jay Shetty|Aug 31,2026中英逐段对照版

Jay Shetty:Welcome back to On Purpose.My guest today is Eileen Gu,the most decorated freeski athlete in history.Many people only know your resume:Olympic gold medalist,Stanford graduate,fashion figure,businesswoman.Beyond all these credentials,what’s something about you that people won’t read on your CV,but you wish they knew?

杰伊·谢蒂：欢迎回到《On Purpose》。今天的嘉宾是谷爱凌，史上荣誉最多的自由式滑雪运动员。很多人只知道你的履历：奥运金牌得主、斯坦福毕业生、时尚面孔、商业从业者。抛开所有这些头衔，有什么事情，是人们无法从简历上读到，但你希望大家了解你的？

Eileen Gu:For a long time,I wanted people to see more than just“athlete.”I’ve spent years building an identity outside of skiing.I don’t want“ski champion”to become the whole definition of who I am.My brain is wired to take things apart,like an engineer taking apart a machine—dissecting emotions,fear,movements and pressure.This isn’t innate strength;it’s a mental system I’ve built through practice.

谷爱凌：很长一段时间，我都希望大家看到我不只是一名“运动员”。我花了很多年，在滑雪之外建立属于自己的身份。我不想让“滑雪冠军”成为我全部的定义。我的大脑习惯拆解事物，就像工程师拆解机器一样——剖析情绪、恐惧、动作与压力。这不是天生强大，而是我通过训练搭建起来的一套思维体系。

Jay:When did this way of thinking start forming for you?

杰伊：这种思维方式是什么时候开始形成的？

Eileen Gu:Childhood curiosity was the root.I kept journals from a young age,writing down every observation,fear and question.I break things down into their smallest components.If a trick fails,I pinpoint exactly which angle,which split second timing went wrong.I’m used to spotting patterns and identifying rules,and that shaped how I see the world.

谷爱凌：根源是童年的好奇心。我从小就写日记，记录下所有观察、恐惧与疑问。我习惯把事物拆解到最小单元。如果一个动作失败，我会精准定位到底是哪个角度、哪一瞬间的时机出了差错。我擅长发现规律、识别模式，这塑造了我看待世界的方式。

Jay:How do you think about masculinity,femininity,and your choice to work in fashion?

杰伊：你如何看待男性气质、女性气质，以及你投身时尚领域这个选择？

Eileen Gu:I don’t see them as an either-or.Skiing demands strength and decisiveness;art and fashion are outlets for sensibility and creativity.I don’t have to pick one.I can hold both sides of myself at the same time,and they don’t conflict.Fashion for me is another language to express myself.

谷爱凌：我不认为二者是非此即彼的选择。滑雪需要力量与决断；艺术和时尚则是感性与创造力的表达出口。我不必二选一。我可以同时拥有这两面特质，它们并不冲突。对我来说，时尚是表达自我的另一种语言。

Jay:Many people wonder about your weekend training trips back and forth.What did that period teach you?

杰伊：很多人好奇你小时候周末来回奔波训练的经历，那段时光带给了你什么？

Eileen Gu:Those days of constant commuting taught me planning,trade-offs,and to value time.It wasn’t just about enduring hardship.I learned to judge whether something is worth investing in.People only see the hardship of training,ignoring the choices behind it.

谷爱凌：那些来回赶路的日子教会我规划、取舍，懂得珍惜时间。这不单单是吃苦。我学会判断一件事是否值得投入。人们只看见训练的辛苦，却忽略背后的选择。

Jay:You mentioned your mom and grandma are the two people who influenced you most.

杰伊：你提到母亲和外婆是对你影响最大的两个人。

Eileen Gu:My grandma is my source of strength.My mom is an immigrant,and there were many things she didn’t know either.A core principle in our family:admit when you don’t know something,then learn it together.Nobody is born with all the answers.That’s the most important lesson I learned.

谷爱凌：外婆是我力量的来源。妈妈是移民，很多事情她当初也不懂。我们家一条核心原则：不懂就承认不懂，然后一起学习。没有人天生就掌握所有答案。这是我学到最重要的一课。

Jay:Even you,at age 23,feel anxiety comparing yourself to peers.Most people assume champions don’t have that feeling.

杰伊：哪怕是你，23岁，也会在和同龄人对比时感到焦虑。大多数人以为冠军不会有这种感受。

Eileen Gu:Absolutely.Everyone in their twenties sometimes feels like they’re falling behind their peers.It’s normal for this age.But I’ve redefined this unease:anxiety is not an enemy,it’s a sign of being young.Don’t forcefully suppress emotions.Instead,recognize this energy and channel it properly,like water management—guide it instead of blocking it.

谷爱凌：当然会。所有二十多岁的人，时不时都会感觉自己落后于同龄人。这是这个年纪的常态。但我重新理解了这种不安：焦虑不是敌人，它是年轻的信号。不要强行压抑情绪，而是看清这股能量、合理引导，如同治水，疏而不堵。

Jay:You shared a striking idea:Hard work is celebrated,but direction is underrated.

杰伊：你提出一个很有启发性的观点：努力被歌颂，但方向常常被低估。

Eileen Gu:People always compete over who works harder,who sacrifices more.It’s like everyone smashing a wall,competing to hit harder.But the real goal is to get to the other side of the wall.Finding the right path to go around is far more efficient than brute force.Momentum doesn’t come from hard work alone;it comes from direction.If the direction is wrong,no amount of effort can build real momentum.The most important thing in youth is not just grinding away,but spending time to find your direction.

谷爱凌：大家总在比拼谁更努力、谁付出更多。就像所有人都在砸一堵墙，比谁砸得更狠。但真正目标是抵达墙的另一边。找对方向绕过去，远比蛮力硬砸高效。动能不只来自埋头苦干，而是来自方向。一旦方向错了，再多努力也无法积累势能。年轻阶段最重要的事，不是一味死磕，而是花时间找到自己的方向。

Jay:When all doors of opportunity open up,choosing becomes harder.How do you find your direction?

杰伊：当所有机会向你敞开，选择反而变得更难。你如何寻找自己的方向？

Eileen Gu:More opportunities mean easier to get lost.I don’t want to stay fixed as“22-year-old successful Eileen Gu.”I want to keep learning,experimenting,traveling and exploring new fields.My identity is not single-faceted:athlete,student,creator,cross-cultural communicator—all are parts of me.I don’t need these identities to fight against each other.My standard for picking projects is value alignment:advancing women’s sports,facilitating cross-cultural exchange,protecting creativity.

谷爱凌：机会越多，越容易迷失。我不想一直停留在“22岁成功的谷爱凌”这个标签里。我希望持续学习、试错、旅行，接触新领域。我的身份不是单一的：运动员、学生、创作者、跨文化交流者，都是我的一部分。我不必让这些身份互相冲突。我选择项目的标准是价值观契合：推动女性体育、促进跨文化交流、保护创造力。

Jay:You said learning is a superpower.Could you elaborate?

杰伊：你说学习是一种超能力，可以展开说说吗？

Eileen Gu:Nobody knows everything.The strongest ability is not having all answers,but the capacity to keep learning.I started reading psychology and self-growth books as a teenager,not to become perfect,but to understand myself.The ability to learn can transfer to any field.

谷爱凌：没有人无所不知。最强的能力，不是手握全部答案，而是持续学习的能力。我十几岁就开始读心理学、自我成长类书籍，不是为了变得完美，而是学会理解自己。学习能力可以迁移到任何领域。

Jay:Your mantra:Train like you’ve never won,compete like you’ve never lost.Help us understand this.

杰伊：你的信条：像从未赢过一样训练，像从未输过一样比赛。请和我们解释这句话。

Eileen Gu:Winning the championship is hard,but staying at the peak is even harder.From 18 to 22,your body and mindset change dramatically.Sustaining peak performance is especially tough for female athletes.During training,I’m extremely critical.I only focus on all errors:torso tilted 2 degrees,takeoff 0.1 seconds too early,center of gravity shifted.I see all flaws,assuming I have never won a championship,constantly correcting mistakes.But once I step onto the competition stage,I switch mindsets.I tell myself:I am the strongest right now,and everyone else is competing for second place.These two mental modes must be separated.95%of the time,I stay in the self-reflective training mode.5%is the confident competition mode.If I stay in competitive arrogance all the time,I stop improving.If I’m still self-critical during competition,I will underperform.

谷爱凌：夺冠很难，但守住巅峰，比夺冠难得多。从18岁到22岁，人的身体、心态会发生巨大变化，女性运动员维持巅峰尤其艰难。训练的时候，我极度挑剔。我只盯着所有误差：上身偏2度、起跳早0.1秒、重心偏移。我会看到所有缺陷，假设自己从未拿过冠军，永远在修正错误。但站上赛场那一刻，我切换心态。我会告诉自己，此刻我就是最强的，其他人争夺第二名。两种心理模式必须分开。95%的时间是训练的自省模式，5%是比赛自信模式。如果一直维持比赛的狂妄，会让人停滞；如果比赛时还在自我批判，一定会发挥失常。

Jay:This leads to your core belief:You are not your craft.

杰伊：这就引出你最重要的理念：你的技艺不等于你本人。

Eileen Gu:This is the foundation of my whole mental system.A botched trick only means that movement went wrong;it does not mean I am worthless or inadequate.Conversely,a perfect landing only means that attempt succeeded,it does not make me a perfect person.Your performance only gives objective feedback,it does not define your worth.When people praise my skiing skill,I don’t equate that praise to my value as a whole person.When I fail,I don’t reject myself.This way,I can calmly dissect problems instead of falling into self-attack.

谷爱凌：这是整套心理体系的基石。动作失误，仅仅是这个动作做错了，不等于“我很差、我不配”。反过来，一次完美落地，只代表这次动作成功，不等于我这个人完美。表现只提供客观反馈，不定义我的价值。别人夸我滑雪厉害，我不会把它等同于我整个人很优秀；失败的时候，我也不会否定自我。这样，我就可以冷静拆解问题，而不是陷入自我攻击。

Jay:Evidence over affirmation.Many people love positive affirmations.Why don’t you rely on empty positive self-talk?

杰伊：证据优于自我肯定。很多人很喜欢积极心理暗示，你为什么不依赖空洞的自我鼓励？

Eileen Gu:Plain positive mantras can easily collapse under high pressure.Confidence should be built on real evidence.I am confident because I have completed the same trick dozens,hundreds of times in training;there is plenty of data backing me up.I don’t just tell myself“I can do it”.My past training records prove I can.I treat my brain as a system to break down,separating facts,emotions and subjective thoughts.Emotions are signals,not facts.

谷爱凌：单纯的正面话术，在高压之下很容易崩塌。自信应该建立在真实证据之上。我自信，是因为我已经完成了几十次、上百次同样的训练动作，有大量数据支撑。不是凭空告诉自己“我可以”，而是过往训练记录证明我可以。我把大脑当成一套系统去拆解，区分事实、情绪、主观想法。情绪只是信号，不是事实。

Jay:When skiing freeski,you use 4D visualization to predict movements?

杰伊：进行自由式滑雪时，你会用四维可视化预判整套动作？

Eileen Gu:Yes.I build mental models,physics,angles,rotations,landing timelines.I simulate the whole sequence fully in my head,predicting every variable.That’s part of my pre-competition mental preparation.

谷爱凌：是的。我会在脑海里建模，物理、角度、旋转、落地时间，在脑中完整模拟整套动作，预判每一个变量。这是我赛前心理准备的一部分。

Jay:Let’s talk about Milan Winter Olympics.That greatest high came alongside immense loss.

杰伊：聊聊米兰冬奥会。那段最高光的时刻，同时伴随着巨大的失去。

Eileen Gu:Few people know that within the hour I won the gold medal,I was also going through a huge personal loss.Standing on the podium,it felt like the ground was cracking beneath me.Extreme joy and extreme grief can coexist;they do not cancel each other out.Peak joy and deep sorrow can live in the same moment.That experience taught me a person can hold two completely opposite powerful emotions at once.

谷爱凌：很多人不知道，我拿到金牌的那一小时，同时承受着巨大的个人失去。站在领奖台上，脚下的地面仿佛在裂开。巨大喜悦和巨大悲伤可以共存，二者并不会互相抵消。高峰与低谷可以在同一个时刻并存。那段经历教会我，人可以同时承载两种完全相反的强烈情绪。

Jay:Now the Final Five,the last five questions.

杰伊：来到Final Five，最后五个问题。

Jay:First:What is the best advice you’ve ever received?

杰伊：第一个：你收到过最好的建议是什么？

Eileen Gu:There is no shame in trying.

谷爱凌：去尝试永远不会丢脸。

Jay:Worst advice?

杰伊：最差的建议？

Eileen Gu:“Wake up at 4 a.m.and you will be more productive.”Not everyone fits that schedule.Don’t copy other people’s templates.

谷爱凌：“凌晨四点起床，就能变得更高效。”不是所有人都适合这套作息，不要照搬别人的模板。

Jay:Advice for young women?

杰伊：给年轻女性的建议？

Eileen Gu:Build your own categories.Don’t be trapped by society’s predefined labels.You can be uniquely yourself;you don’t need to fit into boxes made for you.

谷爱凌：建立属于你自己的分类。不要被社会固有的标签框住。你可以成为独一无二的人，不必挤进别人给你预设好的格子里。

Jay:What do you do when you have a terrible day and break down?

杰伊：当你度过糟糕的一天、情绪崩溃时，你会怎么做？

Eileen Gu:Cry.Crying is the most efficient way to release emotions.I also go running,crying while I run.Release the emotion first,then return to rational thinking.

谷爱凌：哭。哭泣是释放情绪最高效的方式。我也会去跑步，一边跑一边哭。先释放情绪，再回到理性思考。

Jay:If you could make one law that everyone in the world must follow?

杰伊：如果你可以制定一条全世界所有人都要遵守的法律？

Eileen Gu:Give children the chance to explore independently from an early age.At seven or eight years old,pick one thing they are curious about and stick with it for a year.The goal is not to create professional athletes,but to build curiosity,autonomy and agency.

谷爱凌：让孩子在很小的时候，拥有自主探索的机会。七八岁，选择一件感兴趣的事，坚持一年。目标不是培养职业选手，而是塑造好奇心、自主性与行动力。

Jay:Last words for the audience.

杰伊：最后一句话送给听众。

Eileen Gu:Keep dissecting yourself,keep learning.Allow yourself to hold joy and sorrow at the same time.Never define who you are with a single label.

谷爱凌：持续拆解自己，持续学习。允许自己同时拥有喜悦与悲伤，不要用单一标签定义你是谁。

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